<TITLE>16. Par 153-166</TITLE>L-153 Nicodemus, that great scholarly man, came by night, he said, "Rabbi, we know that You are of God. Why," said, "no man could do those things that You do, except God be with Him. We're aware of that." But why didn't he accept it? Why didn't he? See, it was against their tradition. See? No.

L-154 Yes, the only way that they knew He was, is because He--He made God's Word, foretold for that day, live Itself. Do you understand? How many clearly understands that, just raise your hand. See, He made the promised Word of that day live, and they were sure that was the Messiah.

L-155   That's what the woman said, said, "Now look here, we haven't had a prophet for four hundred years. And we know that the next prophet, is to appear on the scene, is to be the Messiah. And here is a man standing right out there, that told me the things that I've done, told me that I had five husbands. And you all are witnesses of that. And the Man is sitting right out there at the city well, right now. He told me I had five husbands. Isn't this the very sign that the Messiah is supposed to do? He is the Word, a Discerner of the thoughts that's in the heart. Isn't that Him?" That's the reason the people knowed and was sure He was Messiah.

L-156 That's the same way we know He is the Messiah, because the Bible said He's the same yesterday, today, and forever, and promised to do this again in the last days.
"Well, they crucified Him." Yeah, but He raised up again.

L-157   Down in Mexico, the case that I was talking about, the little baby being raised, with Brother Moore. They had me down on interview, a few days after that, the church did, newspaper reporters. They said to me...

L-158 Now if there is a Catholic person sitting here, I'm not throwing it off onto you now, remember. My people are Catholic, too. But, look, they're fine people. They're people like we are, hungering, many of them, and thirsting for God.

L-159   This reporter said, "That was a notable thing." Said, "Do you think our saints could do that?"
I said, "If they're living."
He said, "They can't be a saint until they're dead."

L-160 I said, "Was Peter a saint before he died or after he died? See? Yeah. Was Paul a saint before he died or after he died? He did the same thing, see."

L-161 They said, "What's your opinion..." Said, "You're a... You are just a non-Catholic, aren't you?"
I said, "No, sir. I'm a Protestant."
He said, "You don't protest..."
I said, "I protest, not the people, the church's doctrine, see."
And he said, he said, "What's your opinion of the church?"
I said, "I'm sorry you asked me that."
And he said, "Go ahead and say it. I asked you."
I said, "The highest form of spiritualism that I know of."
He said, "Spiritualism?"
I said, "Yes, sir."

L-162 He said, "How could you call the mother church, 'spiritualism'?"
I said, "The mother what?"
He said, "The mother church."

L-163 I said, "Sir, the mother Roman church, yes. The church organization, she is the mother of that. Revelation 17 says she is that, 'the mother of harlots.' But," I said, "the church didn't begin in Rome. It begin in Jerusalem." See?
He said, "God is in His church."
I said, "God is His Word."

L-164   So he said, "And you say it's the highest form of spiritualism you know of?" Said, "How could you say that?"

L-165 I said, "Anything that intercedes with the dead is spiritualism. All them women, walk, going down the street there, pulling over rocks and things, doing penitence to a dead woman her lovers killed. And make her a saint, 'cause she was canonized by the church?" I said, "That's spiritualism."
Said, "You pray to Jesus, and He died."

L-166 I said, "But He rose again, sir." That's right. That's right. That's right. Oh, how the things! "See, He rose again." I said, "I hope I didn't hurt your feelings."
Said, "No, no harm done."
I said, "All right." See? See?


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